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Remove the claims on Hatay province as unclear if the new government still supports them

In the map it still shows Syrian claims on the Hatay province of Türkiye. It's unclear if the transitional government still claims Hatay, so until they make a formal statement best to remove. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 07:29, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems to get things the wrong way around, a change in policy should be sourced. CMD (talk) 07:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PrecariousWorlds Until transitional govt formally opposes it maintain. Mithilanchalputra (Talk) 09:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think there is enough evidence yet to claim that the new government is not claiming Hatay however a government website is using a logo without the Hatay province of Türkiye.

http://www.moi.gov.sy/images/logo.png

This could be interpreted as an intention to drop the claims in the upcoming constitution. ElementLover (talk) 08:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new Syrian government has not reiterated any territorial claim over Hatay. Until they do so (if ever), Wikipedia should reflect current realities rather than outdated historical positions. There is no recent declaration or policy statement from Syria’s leadership supporting the Hatay claim, making it inaccurate to present it as an active territorial dispute. Therefore, I propose removing this claim unless there is verifiable, up-to-date evidence to support its inclusion. Plus, there is a paragraph regarding the “international disputes”. Mentioning it there should be sufficient. We should also change the map according to that new reality. E3.akpinar (talk) 17:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They do not have to mention their claims on Hatay for us to include them. Every new state inherits everything from its predecessor state(s) and unless they renounce their claims on that province then it should be included Abo Yemen ✉ 18:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article must reflect what we know based on verifiable information, not assumptions. Assuming the new government automatically inherits all claims from the previous regime without solid evidence feels more like speculation than fact. If there’s no recent statement or policy confirming the claim, it seems misleading to present it as an active dispute on par with the Golan occupation. States may technically inherit claims, but in practice the policies and priorities change. Especially after a major shift in leadership like this. Unless there’s up-to-date evidence to support it, keeping the claim feels biased and doesn’t align with Wikipedia’s goal of neutrality. As I said, the paragraph regarding the internaional disputes mention it. It gives an insight for that claim and there is no need to keep it on the top page. E3.akpinar (talk) 19:23, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Heritage Foundation

We should stop using the Heritage Foundation as a source in this article. They have announced plans to use their web technology to identify and deanonymize Wikipedia users. We currently link to them twice in this article, putting editors at direct risk of being doxxed. 166.205.97.61 (talk) 17:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is an ongoing discussion about it. M.Bitton (talk) 17:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change anthem please.

It is still showing the old anthem. Please change it as soon as possible.

Best Regards 2A02:B98:4731:2AD0:DDEC:4948:5FEB:1098 (talk) 08:59, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Abo Yemen ✉ 09:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The anthem has changed, because the syrian national team played against yemen in a friendly and played the new national anthem:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE2kDTFs40i/?igsh=MWt1OTZmd3MyM3lpeg== Invisious (talk) 16:54, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute on "Suriyā" and "Suriyah": Should we use both or just Suriyah?

Pinging @Quetstar because they claim that there is no usage of "Suriyā".

Both Suriyā and Suriyah are used in official names, including the arabs. Honestly, the arabs use "Suriyā" rather than "Suriyah". Rather than solving editing disputes, like I am doing right here, they have reverted my edit and have claimed that that name is nonexistent and surprisingly did not remove the second variant of "Syria". "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُوْرِيَّة" is the country's official name in arabic with "Suriyah", and "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُورِيَا" is the official name of the country, but with "Suriyā". If you check the arabic version of the syrian article it def and clearly has usage of "Suriyā". If you want evidence that Suriyā is used, click [4].

[1] So should both be used or just Suriyah be used? Let's reach a consensus. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:31, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While i know they are two ways to write the word "Syria" in Arabic, there is only one official way to write the country's official name, the Syrian Arab Republic, and that's the one with "Suriyyah". Normally, Wikipedia writes the official name exactly how a country's government does. The Syrian govt only uses "Suriyyah" when writing the country's official name, so the variant with "Suriyā" is incorrect. Quetstar (talk) 00:53, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Pktlaurence had the same problem as you. They claimed the same thing, no usage of "Suriyā". Besides if it were to be wrong how come it wasnt reverted till now? 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:56, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because no one dared to check if it was correct. Also, there is no need for consensus, since the rule is to write the official name of a country the way its government does. I will also re-state that while they are two correct ways to write "Syria" in Arabic, there's only one correct way to write its official name in that language. Quetstar (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a need of consensus, as this is pretty controversial. Also the government has indeed used Suriyā, but they rarely use it. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 01:07, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no controversy here. What i did was to correct the writing of the official name to the one that the government uses, that being "اَلْجُمْهُورِيَّةُ ٱلْعَرَبِيَّةُ ٱلْسُوْرِيَّة". I left everything else intact, including the two correct ways of writing "Syria" in Arabic. Per WP:BURDEN, the burden to demonstrate otherwise is on you due to your restoration of the incorrect variant. It is not on the community to decide or prove it. Quetstar (talk) 02:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You are kinda correct and incorrect here, as I didnt say that you removed "Suriya", and also I am sorry for not providing a source, Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that you're quite correct here.... (Im not correct either on the suriya issue)

If you go to the syrian govt website, (click the link that says [5]).

[2]

you'll see that the Official english name for syria is the "Syrian Arabic Rebublic". But in wikipedia we use "Syrian Arab Republic", which is incorrect but we only use it because the syrian govt misspelled it. This shows evidence that we don't always use 100% official names.

And yes, there is controversy here. Pretty much every edit here is controversial. Edits to this article are contentious/controversial because:

It's Extended-protected
Has Sanctions enforcement
Is partially related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, which has been designated contentious by the wikipedians
Is in the Middle East, which is subject to being controversial
Has 1RR in effect, which is why i haven't reverted my edit yet.

I did not expect a reply because you did not respond for over an hour, and since you technically started this, please Drop the stick. It's not the end of the world, and let this debate die a natural death. Because of this, I will no longer reply to this topic. Thank you. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 03:03, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since i also think that this a distraction from other things, I will no longer reply to this either. Quetstar (talk) 03:51, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

anyway lets let the community decide. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 00:58, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 January 2025

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I am requesting for the term "de facto"(in Italics, as depicted) to be inserted below the title of the national anthem("Guardians of the Homeland") in its respective Infobox because the Constitution of Syria has been suspended since 12 December 2024^[1] and it is currently unknown if the current anthem will be retained in a new constitution (de jure) or if a new one will be used instead. ~Berilo Linea~ (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: that's WP:OR (the source that you cited doesn't say anything about the anthem). M.Bitton (talk) 12:37, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I intentionally only used the citation of the news article mentioning the suspension of the Constitution and the People's Assembly for verifiability purposes about the two aforementioned subjects. Indeed, the article didn't mention the national anthem. I apologise if that wasn't clear. I feel my point still stands, though. ~Berilo Linea~ (talk) 15:36, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't change the fact that what you're proposing is original research. M.Bitton (talk) 19:41, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

National Anthem

did the national anthem change? Invisious (talk) 16:54, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox placement

Why is the infobox placed at the very too unlike other pages where it is below a paragraph? GucciNuzayer (talk) 20:38, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Happening on the Lebanon and Israel pages too. I've asked at WP:VPT. CMD (talk) 02:35, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 28 January 2025 New coat of arms

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Description of suggested change: The current coat of arms shown in the syrian wikipedia seems to be wrong, currently the new government uses a different but similar coat of flag seen below.

Syria ministry of education with the new coat of arms
What it should be

Srouces: sana.sy, syrian government websites

^ "Syria's new govt says to suspend constitution, parliament for three months". Al Arabiya English. Al Arabiya. 12 December 2024. Retrieved 12 January 2025.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

[1] "Syria's new govt says to suspend constitution, parliament for three months". Al Arabiya English. Al Arabiya. 12 December 2024. Retrieved 12 January 2025.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

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