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Proposed deletion of San Mateo National High School

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Notification about List of loanwords in Tagalog (Filipino) language's title

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There is a discussion on List of loanwords in Tagalog (Filipino) language about the title. I notice that there is a WP:MOVEWAR, proper discussion is opened. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 08:26, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Using West Philippine Sea in articles

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Context: Talk:Sabina Shoal#West Philippine Sea (and earlier Talk:Kalayaan, Palawan#POV and unattributed additions).

Should the name "West Philippine Sea" be applied to the Philippine-related articles that contain noticeable references to the disputed waters, such as Ilocos Norte, Occidental Mindoro, Agno, Pangasinan, Second Thomas Shoal, and List of ports in the Philippines?

Ping here other participants of the cited discussion thread for attention @ChaseKiwi, Object404, and Chipmunkdavis:. Also ping @Aeonx: from the thread at Kalayaan, Palawan entry's talkpage. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 16:32, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just to mention for any who do not read the context Talk:Sabina Shoal#West Philippine Sea before expressing an opinion there is a moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico vs. Gulf of America debate (which includes talk) until April 18, 2025. This moratorium is implicitly being honoured, since it was imposed, by those aware of the current consensus South China Sea vs. West Philippine Sea. This appears to mean that editors should not be bold in acting against current consensus on body of water naming, and it might be necessary to ask for administrative oversight if postings became off topic and being perceived to potentially bypass that moratorium. ChaseKiwi (talk) 17:47, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That specific moratorium is mostly about managing disputes on that page, but in general the Gulf of Mexico is similar to the many other water bodies or parts of water bodies with multiple names, and MOS:GEO is clear on usage in that case. If the argument is the technical refinement of the definition of "West Philippine Sea", adoption of this should be shown in a wide range of sources before being reflected in en.wiki. CMD (talk) 07:22, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
West Phillipine Sea is the only legitimate terminology in English (noting this is English language Wikipedia), noting the conventions for naming, to represent the body of water as Governed by International Law as part of the exclusive economic zone of the Philippines.
It does not extend beyond the Phillipines EEZ (as sometimes mistakenly used), and it does not extend to areas under formal and internationally unresolved dispute, i.e. Any areas Outside of the 2016 Hague ruling in 2016. Anything ruled as part of Phillipines EEZ per the Hague ruling in 2016 is PART of the West Phillipine Sea.
It's not for Wikipedia to be political and adopt non-established international naming. Wikipedia would be directly serving the interest of those who seek to undermine the global rules based order established by the UN and social fabric norms.
Its really not hard to get right.
Aeonx (talk) 22:58, 8 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
West Philippine Sea is only ever relevant in the context of the South China Sea dispute. In my opinion its undue to use West Philippine Sea when its not related to it such as the seaport lists, and standard municipality articles. Do we have examples of the WPS being used by non-Philippine-based sources outside the context of the territorial dispute? (tourist guides, academic journals, news articles, etc).
Then we have PAGASA using the term for its typhoon advisories as well.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 12:07, 9 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hariboneagle927 how about the single-sentence note found at the end of List of ports in the Philippines#South China Sea? Should it be retained or nuked? JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 04:15, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't PAGASA almost always use SCS over WPS? Or has that changed? Howard the Duck (talk) 04:38, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Howard the Duck you're a bit late. PAGASA ditched "South China Sea" in their weather bulletins and advisories starting 2011, using "West Philippine Sea" to refer to the said body of water (2011 news article). The weather segments of most newscasts here have already shifted to WPS over SCS, even to the waters outside the EEZ of the Philippines, as a symbolic gesture of opposing China'a continued dominance in the Asia-Pacific/Indo-Pacific region, especially in the face of continued maritime incidents that escalated last year (2024). JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 06:55, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are no active storms right now, but I'll check once there is one if PAGASA uses WPS over SCS. Howard the Duck (talk) 08:51, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking through archived official bulletins from PAGASA, and those didn't mention waterforms by name, only "in the coastal waters of Vinzons, Camarines Norte" and similar. So they had refrained from using any such terms. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:09, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They have always used "West Philippine Sea" in their track and intensity outlook for every tropical cyclone that moves toward that sea, and in some other documents. Here are some examples:
AstrooKai (Talk) 15:46, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This bulletin for Romina (Pabuk) did not mention WCS. I overlooked this report and it did use "West Philippine Sea". Both still used "waters over <place>" or "a certain distance from <place>".
So what's the plan? What do we do on typhoons? Do we use the PAGASA name or the international name? If the article is solely about the Philippines, I've personally used the PAGASA name (with the international name in parenthesis), but if it's on other articles involving other countries, such as the typhoon itself, I defer to the international one. Is this MOS:ENGVAR? Howard the Duck (talk) 16:41, 11 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
International names always take precedence. And the PAGASA name is usually inside parenthesis since Wikipedia is an international platform with readership outside the Philippines. To steer back to the original topic. Imo I don't think its appropriate to push Philippine claims by stating tin the article that "Typhoon Man-yi (Pepito) dissipated in the West Philippine Sea on June XX".
I would figure MOS:TIES is the strongest argument to use "West Philippine Sea" in non-South China Sea dispute articles. But I personally prefer to keep things consistent. Kalayaan, Palawan having "South China Sea" cause its part of the internationally disputed Spratlys and Ilocos Norte being described as having West Philippine Sea west of it is jarring. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:52, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"West Philippine Sea" is defined as the exclusive economic zone, or the waters 12-200 nautical miles from the coast; for waters 0-12 nautical miles (the territorial sea), it's not the EEZ (but presumably the Philippines has full exclusive economic rights to it), so you could argue that's the "South China Sea", then WPS in the EEZ, then back to SCS on the high seas, and that the South China Sea is the sea on the western seaboard. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:32, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree this is similar to other issues with multiple names such as the Gulf of Mexico or America. A name is not to imply that a country owns that entire maritime area. Vacosea (talk) 21:52, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arrest of Rodrigo Duterte

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New article that could use some extra eyes. I'm avoiding editing or opining on the topic for obvious reasons. This has the potential to become a heated topic area. It is a WP:BLP and if there are editor issues (warring, blp violations, etc), it is subject to Arb restrictions under Wikipedia:Contentious topics which can be imposed by any admin. There are no restrictions as of now, so even IPs can edit, and it looks like everyone is participating in a very positive way. I hope it stays that way, but more eyes on it would be helpful. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 01:10, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Classic OPM artists without articles, 2025

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It was a year since I raised this issue about what was a huge number of classic OPM acts of the 70s, 80s and 90s missing WP articles, and I haven't have much updates on that since. Now for 2025, one of the big OPM artists of the 80s, Gino Padilla, would be on concert with other major 80s OPM stars like Pops Fernandez, but him lacking WP article still strikes me about how badly held back our coverage of Pinoy pop music, both classic and contemporary, is. Er, We still don't have articles for some other 90s OPM acts such as Jerome Abalos, Jeremiah, Men Oppose and Grin Department, to name a few. Looking for the music task force to take on it, but I have little interest on editing OPM-related content since then (much of my music-related efforts now is with 70s, 80s and 90s Canada top 40 and easy-listening/AC chart hits). TagaSanPedroAko (talk) 01:23, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have been relatively inactive in the past few weeks due to personal constraints, especially since the school calendar is coming to an end. But I may help in creating articles for some of these artists in the school break.
Pinging the task force members (@Titopao, @D-Flo27, @Relayed, @Borgenland, @Royiswariii) to take a look in this. AstrooKai (Talk) 01:31, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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